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]]>Dr. Atul Gawande tells a story about negotiating his first job offer after completing his surgical training [1]. The chairman of the surgical department of Boston’s Brigham and Women’s Hospital offered Gawande a position, then the chairman asked him how much he wanted to be paid. Gawande stalled the question by asking how much surgeons usually make. But the chairman responded, “Look, you tell me what you think is an appropriate income to start with until you’re on your own, and if it’s reasonable that’s what we’ll pay you.”
To be fair, as Gawande tells the story, this was only his second interview, and presumably he did not realize that he was about to receive a job offer. Gawande was unprepared and had to do several days of research to arrive at an appropriate figure.
Today’s post on Discussing Terms addresses preparing to negotiate. We discuss some key points to think about while getting ready and provide a worksheet to aid in your preparations:
Know Yourself and Know the Other Party
The photo above shows the defenses of Port Arthur (present day Dalian, China) at the time of the Russo Japanese War. By current day standards, it was a relatively short war. Japan declared war in February 1904 and laid siege to the key Russian base at Port Arthur in August of that year. By May of 1905, Russia had suffered three stunning defeats—Port Arthur had surrendered in January, the Japanese Army defeated the Russian Army at Mukden in March, and the Japanese Navy defeated the Russian Navy at Tsushima Straight in May. It was an historic military victory—one that resulted in a favorable peace settlement for the Japanese side at the negotiation of the Treaty of Portsmouth in August 1905.
The negotiation at Portsmouth did contain a small but important victory for the Russian side courtesy of the Russian lead negotiator Sergei Witte. Witte knew that the Battle of Mukden had been shockingly costly to both the Russian and Japanese sides. It was a massive clash involving more than 600,000 combatants and lasting more than two weeks. The Japanese had eventually won, but at the cost of more than 15,000 Japanese dead and almost 60,000 wounded. In the days leading up to the negotiation, the Russians moved four new divisions into Manchuria—the Russian clear threat was that if the negotiation was not satisfactory to the Russian side, the war might resume at who knows what cost. Then, Witte made his move at the bargaining table. He offered additional territorial concessions, but absolutely refused war reparations, and threatened to walk out of the talks. His stratagem worked—the final treaty contained no requirement for the Russians to pay war reparations. His ploy was successful for two reasons: he knew what he wanted (no reparations), and he knew what the other party feared (a return to war)—he was in that sense prepared for the negotiation.
In the first section of the worksheet, there are a list of about 25 questions to be used in preparation for any bargaining session. Of course, only a small number of these questions are pivotal. For example, one common type of negotiation is contracting for manufacturing services between a pharmaceutical company and an active pharmaceutical ingredient manufacturer. In this type of negotiation, the negotiation is simple: 1) the pharmaceutical company writes a request for proposal (RFP) that outlines every key requirement for manufacture of the drug; 2) the RFP is shared with multiple manufacturers and acceptable responses are compared; 3) a contract is negotiated which embodies the proposal, as well as. In this case, the pivotal questions in preparation revolve around writing the RFP and selecting the candidate manufacturing firms. As you prepare for your negotiation, decide which are the pivotal questions for your situation.
Your Negotiation Plays
In any negotiation, you will have a mix of complex emotions related to your desires, fears, and the stress of the moment. To prepare for the negotiation session, it makes sense to have preset “plays,” just like in football. These are questions and statements that you have planned out ahead of time to elicit helpful information from the other party and move the negotiation forward.
An example of the use of “plays” comes from the Watergate Scandal. Watergate was set off by a burglary of the Watergate complex in Washington, DC (seen in the aerial photo above) and ultimately led to the resignation of American president Richard Nixon. During the Watergate investigation, a critical revelation was the existence of a taping system in the White House documenting ostensibly private conversations in held in the Oval Office.
The existence of the taping system became public during questioning of former Whitehouse assistant Alexander Butterfield by a lawyer for the Senate committee investigating Watergate. Any discussion which involves the authority of the legal system is a kind of negotiation. When Deputy Minority Counsel Donald Sanders began to question Butterfield, they were exchanging Butterfield’s honesty for the Senate’s promise of non-prosecution. As one question followed another, Sanders realized that there must be some kind of recording system in the White House. Eventually, Sanders asked Butterfield if such a system existed, and Butterfield replied, “I wish you hadn’t asked that question, but, yes, there is [2].”
In that sense, both Sanders and Butterfield were running “plays.” Sanders had prepared a list of questions in advance which led him to the revelation of the taping system. Butterfield had likely prepared in advance that he would not volunteer information about the taping system, but he was prepared to give the information up if asked. Such in-depth preparation is common prior to giving a deposition—PharmaTopo.com has previously posted on deposition preparation [3].
Run Things by Counsel
So far, we have discussed things you can do yourself, but you may need to consider bringing in outside counsel, either in the form of an actual attorney or perhaps in the form of a subject matter expert, or just a friend. Running your thoughts on the negotiation by a disinterested third party has two benefits. First, they may see facets of the negotiation that you missed or got wrong. Second, by stating openly and in confidence, your negotiation position, you commit yourself to the position emotionally—this means that you will be more likely to stick to your guns when the negotiation gets difficult. DiscussingTerms has previously posted on the use of counsel in negotiation [4].
Conclusions
In the 2006 hostage negotiation drama Inside Man, the criminals play recordings of former Albanian dictator Enver Hoxha’s political speeches to confuse police officers listening in via hidden microphones. When the police figure out the scheme, the following conversation ensues:
Detective Frazier: They’re playing tapes for us now?
Detective Mitchell: They knew we were gonna bug them.
Detective Frazier: Damn right they knew. And they knew how. Worse than that, they wanted us to bug them so they could send us on this wild goose chase.
That was a good negotiation play from the hostage taker’s point of view. The hostage takers prepared for the police and led them down the garden path. If you prepare for your negotiation, perhaps you can do the same thing.
[1] Gawande, A. “Piecework,” The New Yorker, 27 March (2005).
[2] Honan, W. H. “Donald G. Sanders Dies at 69; Brought Nixon Taping to Light,” The New York Times, 29 September (1999).
[3] Gallant, S. R. “Documenting Your Intellectual Property and Defending It,” PharmaTopo, 1 January (2022). pharmatopo.com/index.php/2022/01/01/lessons-learned-documenting-your-intellectual-property-and-defending-it/
[4] Gallant, S. R. “Use a Wingman,” Discussing Terms, 17 December (2022). discussingterms.com/2022/12/17/negotiation-tip-use-a-wingman/
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]]>A year and half ago, I wrote a short post pointing out that Berkshire Hathaway and the S&P 500 Index now have approximately the same return, year after year. The illustration I used at the time was:
The figure shows that Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger were killing it in the 1960s and 1970s—the Berkshire Hathaway founders regularly exceeded the S&P 500 by a wide margin. By the 1990s, the rest of the world had caught up with Berkshire Hathaway. And, in the 2000s, Berkshire sometimes bests the S&P 500, sometimes not.
Return on investment is a negotiation between the investor and the company or institution receiving the investment. If the investor is not satisfied with the proposed return, they can take their money elsewhere, but how do they know when to pull their funds? What are some benchmarks for healthy growth? This week’s post will compare the returns from different classes of investments.
Disclaimer: This post is not intended as investment advice. Readers should review their investment decisions with a professional prior to making any change to their portfolio.
Thinking About Returns
Individual equity investments rise and fall, but in the long-term diversified stock indices only rise. Two common stock indices are the S&P 500 index which tracks the 500 largest companies listed on exchanges in the United States and the Nasdaq Composite index which tracks the stocks listed on the Nasdaq exchange.
The figure above shows the value of these two indices from January 2002, after the Dot-Com bubble burst in the year 2000, to the current date. That period includes the Subprime Crisis of 2007 to 2010, as well as the Covid run up of internet stocks and the downturn of 2022. Fitting a simple interest rate model with annual compounding to the data produces the following approximate rates of growth:
Index | Annual Rate of Growth 2002 to 2024 | Inflation Free Growth 2002 to 2024 |
S&P 500 | 5.9% | 3.3% |
Nasdaq Composite | 8.9% | 6.3% |
Inflation was 2.6% per annum averaged over that time period. So, the inflation free growth of the two indices were 3.3% and 6.3%. By including the periods of slow growth following 2000 and 2007, as well as selecting the data points in January, after any annual profit taking, these rates are relatively conservative.
Since a goal of creating these numbers is to make predictions about how the future might be, we might take a different view. Perhaps, we believe that the future will look more like 2014 to 2024, rather than 2002 to 2013. Here are curve fits to the more recent time period:
More optimistic rates of growth result:
Index | Annual Rate of Growth 2014 to 2024 | Inflation Free Growth 2014 to 2024 |
S&P 500 | 10.1% | 7.3% |
Nasdaq Composite | 13.8% | 11.0% |
That is a pretty large swing, and that is the challenge of forecasting returns—deciding what data set is relevant while creating the model.
Other Classes of Investments
So far, we have talked exclusively about stocks. What about other classes of investments?
If you plan a purchase in the near future—a house or some land—then bonds can be a good short-term investment. At the current moment, US Treasury bonds have an inverted yield curve (5.8% for 3 months, 4.39% for a year, and 3.67% for 5 years). In general, stocks should do better than bonds over the long term—as can be seen by comparing Treasury bond yields with the stock market returns listed above.
Real Estate Investment Trusts (REITs) are a bit like mutual funds. They are managed investments in certain sectors of the real estate market. The returns from REITs have been impressive in the past. Here is a comparison of the REIT American Tower Corporation (AMT) versus the Nasdaq Composite index:
Recently, REITs have taken a hit, as the entire country changes how it lives and how it does business. Many companies have reduced their main office footprint and increased remote work.
The key challenge to real estate investments (other than as your own personal dwelling) is that real estate appreciates more slowly than stocks. Between 1991 and 2013, average home prices rose by a factor of 4.3 (as reported in the Home Price Index published by the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA)). That sounds impressive, until you realize that the S&P 500 index rose 17.7x over the same period. According to data reported by the United States Federal Reserve (fred.stlouisfed.org), between the beginning of 2005 and the end to 2023, commercial real estate prices in the US rose by 2.1x. Over the same period, the S&P 500 index rose 4.1x.
Clearly, there are some winners in the real estate market. Some developers specialize in spotting distressed real estate on the edge of growing cities, renovating the buildings and flipping them for impressive profits. However, these kinds of projects require careful and continuous management by the investment manager and by the investors. The challenge is to locate the rose among the thorns.
Cryptocurrencies have attracted a lot of attention recently. Brokers such as Fidelity have made investing in cryptocurrencies much easier. Here is a graph of Bitcoin value since 2014 and the Nasdaq Composite index; the Nasdaq Composite disappears against the x-axis because the swing in Bitcoin is so great:
Of course, caveats apply—cryptocurrencies can be difficult to trade, and on some level they are Ponzi schemes (since they create no new value—gains by one group of investors must be offset by losses by another group of investors). As long as you are playing with a small amount of capital, and not your life savings, the risk seems small—like going to Las Vegas.
Comparison to Other Investors
One of the opportunities offered by the Internet is to benchmark our returns versus those of professional investors. At the top of this post, we discussed the fact that Berkshire Hathaway has been tracking the S&P 500 lately. How about other investors?
Recently, public disclosure laws have allowed us to see into the investments of our legislators, such as Representative Nancy Pelosi and Senator Ted Cruz. Representative Pelosi’s husband is a businessman who owns a real estate and venture capital firm. During his time at Harvard Law School, Senator Cruz was a Fellow in Law and Economics, and his wife held a position at the Investment Management Division of Goldman, Sachs & Co. So presumably, the Pelosi and Cruz family investment decisions are informed by a high degree of governmental and business expertise. Their data has been reported through the ETFs NANC and KRUZ [1] since March 2023; here is a comparison versus the Nasdaq Composite and S&P 500 indices:
The Cruzes are experiencing returns that are below the S&P 500. 99% of their holdings are in stocks with a fairly even split between sectors (22% in tech, 16% in industrials, 15% in financial services, 10% in energy, 10% in healthcare, etc.). The Pelosis are tracking the Nasdaq Composite. 91% of their holdings are in stocks with a strong preference for technology (45% in tech, 12% in consumer cyclical, 11% in communications, 9% in financial services, 8% in healthcare, etc.)—their composition is quite similar to Nasdaq. So, the Pelosis are probably feeling pretty good about themselves, and the Cruzes are kicking themselves a little.
Another investor who may be kicking himself is Bill Gates. He has $6.2B in Canadian National Railway (CNI). Since January 2022, CNI is -4.3% in value—if you add the regular dividends that the railway pays, an investment made at the beginning of 2022 is about even. In the same time period, the Nasdaq composite fell during all of 2022, but it has rebounded and is net positive 14.3% over the period.
The point is that picking individual stocks (as opposed to buying stock indices) is a high degree of difficulty activity—up there with brain surgery and rocket science. Even well-educated, well-resourced investors get things wrong.
“F…Me, Once This Thing Gets Going in the Wrong Direction…”
Investment is not just an individual activity—it involves hundreds of millions of people and trillions of dollars. You can make the right investment decision, but if the market is against you, you can still lose money. Cathie Wood founded ARK Investment (ARKK) as an exchange traded fund (ETF) which would invest in disruptive technology—she wanted it to be a kind of large-scale venture capital company [2]. In early 2020, six years after the founding of ARK, investors started to pile on, running up the company’s value over 8 months. But, then in November 2021, just prior to the 2022 overall decline in technology stocks, investors turned against ARK:
An investor who purchased ARKK in mid or (even worse) late 2020 may have taken a severe beating, depending on when they chose to get out. The only way to overcome these large market forces is to purchase an investment at an attractive price and hold the investment over the long term—through whatever market noise may occur in the interim.
The Dream of Higher Returns
The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence, right? Venture capitalists are the smartest of the smart investors with the best access to financial information. Average investors look with envy at the folks in private equity, assuming that their returns are as fat as their promotional materials imply. What returns are possible when the entire world is open to you as an investor?
A quick sketch of how an investor buys into a venture fund is: 1) an investor selects a firm which is raising capital and commits an investment for 10 years, 2) the venture firm collects fees—typically 2% for the first 5 years, and less in the remaining years—while the firm invests the bulk of the funds in small companies with unique abilities to grow, 3) at the end of 10 years, the investments are sold and the initial investment is returned to the investors, 4) the remaining money is split with the general partners of the venture firm getting 20% or sometimes 30% and the limited partners (i.e., the investors) receiving the remainder. Most limited partners are retirement funds or other large institutions, but high-net-worth individuals constitute a few percent of the limited partners.
In 2011, Andrew Metrick and Ayako Yasuda made an interesting study of venture capital [3]. They had two sets of data covering the period 1989 to 2008—one set from Cambridge Associates (CA) and the other from Sand Hill Econometrics (SHE). The CA data set was an upper bound on average venture capital returns because it was affected by survivor bias. The SHE data set was a lower bound on average venture capital returns. The key word is “average”—venture capital returns can vary widely depending on the luck and skill of the venture capital firm. An investor (“limited partner”) in a venture fund has some degree of control of the skill of the firm based on research and selecting the best available firm, but the investor has little control over luck. Not every venture firm has the opportunity to invest in Uber—only the ones that happen to get the unicorn’s pitch.
What Metrick and Yasuda found regarding average venture capital returns is tabulated below with the Nasdaq Composite for the period 1989 to 2008 included for reference:
Data Source | Annualized Venture Capital Fund Net Returns |
Cambridge Associates | 16.2% |
Sand Hill Econometrics | 8.8% |
Nasdaq Composite | 7.9% |
So, it is possible to earn more than the Nasdaq Composite on a regular basis, but there are some requirements. In venture funds, typical investments by limited partners are at least between $1M and $5M, and the money must be committed for 10 years. Also, since returns vary widely from fund to fund, to get the average return listed in the table above, several separate investments would be required to diversify risk.
Conclusions
To summarize the main points of this post:
[1] Alemany, J. “Investors, worried they can’t beat lawmakers in stock market, copy them instead,” The Washington Post, June 1 (2024).
[2] ARK Invest. “Big Ideas 2021,” research.ark-invest.com/hubfs/1_Download_Files_ARK-Invest/White_Papers/ARK%E2%80%93Invest_BigIdeas_2021.pdf.
[3] Metrick, A. and Yasuda A. Venture Capital and the Finance of Innovation, Wiley (2011).
[4] Gallant, S. R. “Economic Development and Stock Markets (1 of 2),” DiscussingTerms, June 27 (2024), discussingterms.com/2024/06/27/economic-development-and-stock-market-growth-part-1/
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]]>In the first part of this 2-part post, some best governmental practices to support economic growth were listed: reasonable levels of taxation, regulation to support business competition, freedom from corruption, etc. [1]. These types of policies make a good deal of sense, but surely, some policies must be more important than others. The question is how to determine which policies are key to growth.
In other words, why do the US Nasdaq, Taiwan, and Indian National and Bombay exchanges appear toward the top of this above diagram? And, why are the Mexican, US, Indian, and Indonesian economies farther toward the right on the diagram? Today’s post answers those questions.
Caveat: DiscussingTerms does not provide formal financial advice, and readers are advised to consult a strategic, legal, or financial advisor prior to making any decision about investing.
Economic and Stock Market Databases
To look at the sources of growth and limitations on it, DiscussingTerms created two databases—one for national economies [2] and one for stock markets [3]:
The independent variables were chosen to represent a host of national economic factors—they included:
Statistical multiple linear regression was used to determine which variables were important to economic growth [4].
GDP Growth Rate
Using multiple linear regression, six independent variables in the database of 146 national economies were found to be statistically significant in determining GDP growth percent [5,6]:
Variable | Coefficient | Statistical Significance |
GDP Per Cap | -0.49 | P = 3.0 x 10-6 (Confidence of > 99.9997%) |
Inflation | -0.33 | P = 7.3 x 10-5 (Confidence of > 99.9927%) |
Effectiveness | 0.078 | P = 0.0017 (Confidence of > 99.83%) |
Democracy | -0.15 | P = 0.0071 (Confidence of > 99.29%) |
Logistics (LPI) | -0.16 | P = 0.024 (Confidence of > 97.6%) |
Unemployment | -0.12 | P = 0.037 (Confidence of > 96.3%) |
Some points to note about the table are:
The model predictions and residuals (i.e., model prediction minus actual value) appear below. As can be seen from the figure, the residuals are quite small with a few exceptions—on average the residuals have a magnitude of 19% of the model prediction. A small number of countries (for example, India and Niger) are what could be called “positive” deviations, with growth increases significantly greater than the regression model predicts. Others (for example, Argentina, Ecuador, and Haiti) are what could be called “negative” deviations, with growth increases significantly less than the regression model predicts.
Stock Market Growth Rate
In suggesting that democracy may not always be compatible with the highest levels of economic growth, the last section was a little disappointing. This next section is more encouraging for democracy. Applying multivariable regression to stock market growth [3, 8], two separate independent variables were shown to be statistically significant:
Variable | Coefficient | Statistical Significance |
Democracy Index | 0.44 | P = 0.0364 (Confidence of > 96.4%) |
Military Spending (%GDP) | 0.62 | P = 0.0320 (Confidence of > 96.8%) |
Some points to note about the table are:
The model prediction and residuals (i.e., model prediction minus actual value) appear below:
Some points to note about the figure are:
So, What About All Those Other Variables?
The variables which strongly affect growth were the focus of the discussion above, but what about all the other variables that did not rise to statistical significance? Here are some thoughts:
Conclusions
Some of the key variables to support economic and stock market growth include: low inflation, government effectiveness, low unemployment, and democracy. These are all values that can be included in national legislative and regulatory priorities. Other variables undoubtably have a positive effect, though one that is harder to measure. These include: support for education, public health, and support for infrastructure, as well as engagement with the world economy and encouragement of investment.
[1] Gallant, S.R. “Economic Development and Stock Markets (1 of 2),” June 27 (2024). discussingterms.com/2024/06/27/economic-development-and-stock-market-growth-part-1/
[2] Table of 146 economies:
[3] Table of stock markets:
[4] Orlov, Michael L. “Multiple Linear Regression Analysis Using Microsoft Excel,” Chemistry Department, Oregon State University (1986).
[5] GDP Growth model statistics for 146 economies:
[6] The data was scaled to values between 0.0 and 1.0 prior to regression. This allows the coefficients to be more easily compared. Scaling was performed using the formula:
Scaled data = (Original data – Min value)/(Max value – Min value)
[7] Gupta, S., Davoodi, H., and Alonso-Terme, R. “Does Corruption Affect Income Inequality and Poverty,” IMF Working Paper, May (1998).
[8] Stock market model statistics:
[9] Ljungqvist, A., Persson, L., and Tåg, J. The Incredible Shrinking Stock Market: On the Political Economy Consequences of Excessive Delistings,” European Corporate Governance Institute (ECGI) – Finance Working Paper No. 458/2016, IFN Working Paper No. 1115
[10] Congressional Budget Office. “Expired and Expiring Authorizations of Appropriations for Fiscal Year 2022,” August 2022. (www.cbo.gov/system/files/2022-08/57760-EEAA.pdf)
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]]>DiscussingTerms has been thinking about economic growth as economies expand in the post-Covid-19 world. Clearly, some things are the same: people still need homes, durable goods, and food. Other things are changed, perhaps forever: remote work has become more common, and the role of city centers in the economy is being questioned.
In today’s post, DiscussingTerms takes a step back to look at economic metrics and consider what they mean for national economies and for individual investors. This is the first of a 2-part series.
Caveat: DiscussingTerms does not provide formal financial advice, and readers are advised to consult a strategic, legal, or financial advisor prior to making any decision about investing.
Background
Economic development and stock market growth both constitute the outcomes of negotiation processes. In the case of national economic development, gross domestic product (GDP) growth is supported by four types of activities:
In the case of business growth of public and private companies, increased enterprise value is supported by the sensible national policies listed above, as well as by three additional factors:
Data on Economic Growth
DiscussingTerms was reviewing the data on stock market growth and comparing it with national GDP growth—some interesting trends popped out [1]. Here is a graphical presentation of the data:
Some points to note about the graph:
One way of thinking about this plot is that stock markets and overall economies do not necessarily move in synchrony. Stock markets which appear above the diagonal dashed line are pulling up overall economic performance, while stock markets appear below the dashed line hold back economic growth.
Stocks Which Promote Growth
Let’s consider some of the stocks that drive growth in markets:
These companies are dynamic—seeking to expand and develop new business strategies to allow long term growth. This type of company contrasts with companies that are typically thought of as low growth companies—companies caught in older stagnant areas of the economy, without strategies for competing beyond national borders, engaging in “rent seeking behavior” to maintain revenue.
Middle Class Investment
Wealthy families will always have options for what to do with their capital—including investing overseas. But, middle class families often have fewer options. Let’s contrast two national economies, one with rapid growth in its stock market and one without rapid growth in its stock market. In both cases, middle class families may be able to earn more than their daily requirements for food, lodging, clothing, healthcare, education, and other immediate needs. But, what they do with their surplus capital differs markedly:
In the case of a rapidly growing stock market, a virtuous circle results with middle class investments helping to power economic growth. In the case of a slow growing stock market, assets of middle-class families may be trapped in dodgy low growth investment schemes. Certainly, some investments outside the stock market can provide growth—family businesses undoubtably power dynamic local economies in low and high per capital GDP countries—but, the investment options are significantly narrower.
Conclusions
In countries like the United States, Taiwan, India, Japan, South Africa, Germany, and others, the stock markets are lifting up the overall economy. This is an important dynamic to nurture which governments can encourage through best practices in legislation and regulation, intelligent diplomacy, and economic policy.
[1] Table of stock market data:
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]]>There are two reasons that people are hesitant to make the initial offer in a negotiation. First, they may be unsure of the market value of the item they are trying to buy (or sell). They are worried of significantly under or overstating the item’s value. The fear is that the negotiator will telegraph to the other party that they are unprepared for the negotiation—and therefore ripe to be taken advantage of. Second, the negotiator is worried that the other side will talk them down from their offer—that they will be “ground down” during the negotiation process. The fear is that the other party has the power in the negotiation, and as a result, the other party will eventually get what they want. Today’s post addresses the process of making an initial offer, discussing these and other fears.
Preparing to Negotiate
Preparing for a negotiation is a five-step process. The steps include:
Making an Offer
The 2018 film Beirut is a movie about hostage negotiation. In the climactic scene, two characters haggle over a hostage payment. Skiles makes an offer, aware that the price he earlier negotiated is out the window because he is dealing with a new man he has not spoken with previously.
Skiles: This is it. All I got. ($2 million.) I’m topped out. Deal speaks for itself.
Kidnapper: You wouldn’t open with your best offer if your life depended on it.
Skiles: Two point two-five.
Kidnapper: Five million.
Skiles: Three.
Kidnapper: Four and a half is my floor.
Skiles: Point blank, I have $3.9 million exactly.
Kidnapper: Going once.
Skiles: Why should Bashir be the only person to profit?
Kidnapper: Going twice.
Skiles: If you take the three-nine right now, I swear I will tell Bashir you settled for three-five. You can go back to Arafat with your head held high and $400,000 in your pocket.
Kidnapper: Deal.
What is driving Skiles in this scene? First, he is spending someone else’s $4 million—he is willing to go up to that level, but he does not have any more money after that. He has no incentive to spend less (none of the money will end up in his pocket), but he absolutely needs for the negotiation to succeed (he has no backup plan). Starting at $2M allows him the room to negotiation inside of his range. As he reaches his limit, he skillfully offers a consideration to the other negotiator which seals the deal.
So, what are the options for making that first offer? They include:
Make Your Offer Look Good
Frequently, there are aspects of a deal that cost you little or nothing but provide reassurance to the other party. One way of making a successful deal more likely is to play up these aspects of your offer. You have financing already in place. Your offer is all cash. Your side is prepared to sign as soon as certain details are clarified.
This strategy requires empathy on your part. What is the other side looking for? How can you make your deal look as much like what they want as possible?
Also, if you are looking at their initial offer, beware of hidden unpleasantries. As an example, in the pharmaceutical contract manufacturing business, the sponsor needs the raw data from the manufacturer. Usually, raw data is supplied free or at some nominal charge. An illustration of a hidden unpleasantry would be significant add-on charges for the raw data to be supplied by the manufacturer. These kinds of concealed penalties need to be neutralized as they appear in the negotiation.
Conclusions
The negotiation process involves four steps: 1) preparation, 2) initial offer, 3) bargaining, 4) closing. Ideally, you would perform all four steps with precision and skill, but that is not always how things go. For example, perhaps you allow the other side to open, and you realize that they have anchored at a value that is very disadvantageous to you. You can correct this by addressing the issue directly. You say something like, “Clearly, we are very far apart,” or “This is a premium service. Our clients pay significantly more than that.” You have neutralized their anchor, and now it is your turn to place your anchor.
All of this should be done directly, with good humor, and a clear intention to resolve problems in the negotiation.
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]]>In today’s post, DiscussingTerms addresses how patent litigation is settled—using the example of biosimilar pharmaceuticals. Biosimilars are the generic versions of expensive injectable medications like Remicade, Enbrel, and Humira. Biologics and biosimilars are a rapidly growing segment of pharmaceuticals, so there is a lot at stake financially and medically. The focus of this post is on how settlements are valued and how a zone of possible agreement between the parties involved in patent litigation can be established.
Background
Here is a quick introduction to biosimilar litigation:
This form of negotiation is a classic adversarial or competitive negotiation. Demands, threats, and the use of power (through the courts) are expected in this negotiation. The goal for each side is a “win”—the innovator wants to block the biosimilar from entering the market, and the biosimilar manufacturer wants to launch their drug as soon as possible to take market share from the innovator.
In these negotiations, accommodative behavior may rarely come into play (if by chance the two companies involved have other projects that they are working on together and want to preserve their relationship as a way of maximizing the return from the other activities that involve them); however, the norm in this type of negotiation is competition.
Assessing Risk, Cost, and Profit
Many business processes such as litigation [1] and option pricing [2] involve some degree of risk combined with possible costs or profits. Such processes can be represented as trees of probability and value. As an example, consider this tree describing the possible outcomes of BPCIA patent litigation over pegfilgrastim in 2020:
This tree structure considers the possibility that a purely hypothetical pegfilgrastim patent case was brought in 2020. Though the tree is hypothetical, the values in the tree were estimated using real market and litigation data, as will be seen below. Consider the following aspects of the tree:
The Negotiation
Litigation under BPCIA is an example of a multiparty negotiation (involving innovator company, biosimilar company, legislature, courts, insurance companies, doctors, and patients). However, there are three parties with the most immediate sway in this type of negotiation (the two pharmaceutical companies and the courts). Their positions are as follows:
The zone of possible agreement (ZOPA) is a range of settlement values that satisfy both parties. In this case, the settlement involves direct cash payments or a share of future revenue, but it cannot involve a pay for delay agreement. What range might satisfy both parties? Consider the following table:
Worst Outcome | Expected Outcome | Best Outcome | |
Defendant/Biosimilar | $0 | $737M ($3.7B) | $931M ($4.7B) |
Plaintiff/Innovator | $0 | $194M ($952M) | $931M ($4.7B) |
In this table, the case of late entry into the North American market (10% share) is shown at the top of each entry; the case of early entry (50% share) is shown at the bottom of each entry in parentheses. Both parties wish to avoid their worst outcome. In each case (late entry and early entry), if the biosimilar company is willing to concede the difference between its best outcome and its expected outcome, the freed cash satisfies the innovator’s expected outcome.
Other factors will also come into play: the relative strength or weakness of the patent infringement case, the bargaining position of the biosimilar company (are they short of cash or deep pocketed), the number other biosimilar products and their expected launch dates, etc. However, this analysis does indicate that a zone of possible agreement between the two parties may exist.
Conclusions
Creation of a case-specific model of value which builds in the most relevant data on risk and potential cost and profit can be a useful tool of negotiation preparation. These types of models help the negotiation team think several moves ahead in the bargaining process, as well as allowing the team to put themselves in the place of their adversary.
Some other issues to bear in mind include:
All of these issues come into the decision of when and how to settle; however, as some wise person once said, “There’s always a number.”
[1] Craver, C. Effective Legal Negotiation and Settlement, Carolina Academic Press (2020).
[2] Metrick, A. Venture Capital and the Finance of Innovation, John Wiley & Sons, New York (2010).
[3] US District Court BPCIA Litigation, DiscussingTerms, December (2022):
[4] Research and Markets. Global $4,037 Million Pegfilgrastim Biosimilars Markets, Analysis & Forecasts, 2015-2020, 2025F, 2030F, www.globenewswire.com/fr/news-release/2022/03/16/2404168/28124/en/Global-4-037-Million-Pegfilgrastim-Biosimilars-Markets-Analysis-Forecasts-2015-2020-2025F-2030F.html
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]]>Today’s post is about the pricing of tickets for concerts, sporting events, and theatrical shows. Everyone enjoys a good concert, but how did we arrive at a system that is at once so convenient and so expensive?
As recently as the mid-1970s, another different, but equally complex system existed. Tony Dokoupil writes about it in his book The Last Pirate which tells the life story of his marijuana dealer father. His father’s cover for his pot distribution business was working as a delivery driver for a concert ticket distributor. “In a pre-digital world, you needed an advance man, someone to deliver paper tickets to all the places you could buy concert tickets in those days. That meant record stores, but also restaurants, bars, clothing stores. He left home each week with a satchel of tickets and returned with a satchel of cash.”
Back then, the streams of tickets and money were paper. Today, the tickets and the money are largely electronic, but the same cast of characters was involved: artists, venues, promoters, ticket distributors, brokers (“scalpers”), and buyers. Because a lot of the deals are struck behind closed doors, it is not so obvious that a negotiation is going on, yet this is definitely a marketplace. In this post, we wander around this interesting bazaar.
Parties
If you want a picture of all the parties involved in this multiparty negotiation [1], a good place to look is a figure originally generated by the attorney of the band R.E.M. in 1994 [2]. The occasion for generation of this schematic was a Congressional hearing about ticket pricing for concerts, athletic events, and theater shows [3]. DiscussingTerms has updated the figure and modified it to include flows of cash and tickets:
The figure attempts to lay out the complex relationships between the parties involved in a musical concert. Cash flows are depicted in green (payments) and red (rebates (aka, “kick-backs”)). Ticket flows are shown in black. They include:
The Negotiation
As noted above, ticket prices are the result of a multiparty negotiation. Some features of this negotiation are:
“So with Ticketron you now have a seventy-five cent service charge.”
“That’s true.”
“If you sign with us, it’s going to be a dollar and a half.”
“That’s terrible. Why would I want to do that?”
“Because you’re going to get a half dollar back.”
“Sounds great to me. Where do I sign?
Outcome of the Negotiation
Having considered the process of negotiation for ticket prices, let’s think about the outcome of the negotiation. Currently, the average price of a concert ticket is $87. As noted above, ticket prices have been rising faster than the CPI for decades. That is the ticket buyer’s reality, but what about the ticket seller’s reality?
In 2010, Live Nation and Ticketmaster merged. The two companies had complementary strengths. Live Nation had depth in relationships with venues (owning or having long-term deals with many amphitheaters and stadiums), as well as having strong operations in promotion and management. Ticketmaster was of course the heavy weight champion of ticket distribution. Live Nation made a case for the merger saying that, as a company, it carried a lot of overhead, and it was in difficult financial straits. This can be seen if we plot the value of Live Nation stock versus the S&P 500 index. Over the period 2006 to 2010, the S&P 500 lost about 12% due to the Subprime Mortgage Crisis. Over the same time period, Live Nation stock lost about 60%:
Clearly, that is the kind of adverse performance that drove Live Nation to think, “How can we improve this company as an investment (or we will be bought and broken up or simply go bankrupt)?” Since the Ticketmaster merger in 2010, Live Nation’s financial performance has improved substantially:
In spite of the Covid-19 crisis, the S&P 500 went up 245%. Over the same period, Live Nation went up 692%. The gain in value of Live Nation was almost 3x that of the S&P 500. So, acquiring Ticketmaster ended up being a pretty good deal for Live Nation’s investors.
Conclusions
Clearly, this is a complex issue. There have been highly publicized Congressional hearings twice in the recent past (related to the Pearl Jam versus Ticketmaster litigation and to the Live Nation/Ticketmaster merger). Ticket distributors regularly say that they are paid to play the part of the bad guy, absorbing negative publicity that would otherwise fall on promoters, venues, brokers, and artists. And, they occasionally seem to relish the role.
Overpriced concert tickets do not generate the kind of social harm caused by other kinds of inflated prices (for example, patients who cannot afford health insurance or students who do not have access to high-quality schools). After all, no one is forced to buy Bad Bunny concert tickets. Of course, that is not a strong argument against government action on ticket pricing; however, if Federal regulators do act, they will need to take into account the complicated relationships of the event industry. As seen in this post, the outcome of federal action may be difficult to predict or even counterintuitive in result.
[1] For a quick reminder of some of the elements of multiparty negotiations, see: Gallant, S.R. “Detroit’s Bankruptcy,” DiscussingTerms, December 10 (2022); https://discussingterms.com/2022/12/10/detroits-bankruptcy/
[2] “Pearl Jam’s Antitrust Complaint: Questions About Concert, Sports, and Theater Ticket Handling Charges and Other Practices,” Hearing Before the Information, Justice, Transportation, and Agriculture Subcommittee, June 30 (1994).
[3] Budnick, D. and Baron J. Ticket Masters: The Rise of the Concert Industry and How the Public Got Scalped, ECW Press (2011).
[4] Aniftos, R. “Bruce Springsteen Opens Up About Ticketmaster’s Dynamic Pricing: ‘Ticket Buying Has Gotten Very Confusing’,” Billboard, November 18 (2022).
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